Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer - Independent

Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer
Posted August 10, 2017 by indy100 staff in tech 
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'Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regularly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

One such incident occurred recently on Twitter.

Ian Miles Cheong
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 Nazis were socialist. https://twitter.com/laurilove/status/897051235244810240 …

2:41 PM - Aug 17, 2017

Mike Stuchbery, a teacher and writer whose passion is History, sought to correct the misconception.

This is quite a long dressing down and is a little foulmouthed. You've been warned.

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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 Ok, dickhead, I did this politely to someone else earlier, but now I'm going to rinse you. Prepare.

Ian Miles Cheong
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Nazis were socialist. https://twitter.com/laurilove/status/897051235244810240 …

4:46 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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Yeah, the Nazis called themselves the 'National Socialists', and they even nicked some (incredibly benign) socialist policies...

4:49 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'.

4:51 AM - Aug 18, 2017


Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left.

4:55 AM - Aug 18, 2017

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The Italian Right, @stillgray, still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in left-wing organization.

4:57 AM - Aug 18, 2017


Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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Mussolini gives us the first fascist platform - national/racial superiority, rearmament & expansion, and consolidation of capital.

4:58 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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The Italian Fascists appropriated, wholesale, Roman imagery, such as the 'fasces', to evoke renewed national pride & a sense of superiority.

5:01 AM - Aug 18, 2017

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The Italian Fascists sought, @stillgray, to expand & reclaim historically Italian lands (mirroring a large portion of the old Roman Empire).

5:07 AM - Aug 18, 2017

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After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few.

5:10 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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Hitler & his Deutcher Arbeiter Partei mates see this and decide that they need to steal support from actual socialists, @StillGray...

5:13 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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...so the DAP rebadge themselves as the NSDAP... Socialism still being a relatively new ideology. It's like adding 'e-' to a product name.

5:16 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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Otherwise, they were fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital.

5:19 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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1. Do I really need to go into their views on race & their feelings towards the Jews?

5:21 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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2. Do I really need to go into their designs on a 'Greater German Reich'?

5:25 AM - Aug 18, 2017

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3. The Germans used socialist economic policies, before retreating to a corporate cartel base. Companies like Krupp made $$$.

5:27 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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The actual socialists who emerged after Marx wanted three things - 1. Removal of classes.  2. World socialism. 3. Distribution of capital.

5:32 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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There was a huge gap between rich & poor in Tsarist Russia. The Bolsheviks sought to eliminate this division (yes, by violent revolt).

5:34 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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After they succeeded, the Bolsheviks wanted to take the Revolution worldwide. Heard of 'Comintern'? No race, no nations, only socialism.

5:43 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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3. As for redistribution of capital, do I really need to explain the difference between collectivisation & cartels, Mr Tax  Haven?

5:45 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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So, you see, @stillgray there's a big fucking difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE FUCKING OPPOSITES.

5:50 AM - Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷
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So, if you're peddling this 'munuhmunuh NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS' bullshit you're either massively dense or an evil prick.

5:51 AM - Aug 18, 2017